To listen to the you need to download real player on the link below

http://uk.real.com/freeplayer_r1p.html?&src=ZG.uk.idx.rp_ann.hd.def

and on the right handside in the grey box click on the Download the Free RealOne Player Only link and you will be able to have a free version to listen to the debate.

Once you have installed real player click on the link below to listen to the debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/realmedia/sunday/s20040125f.ram